Stever: Ya know, it's been a hoot mixing it up with you. I can't help thinking that you are someone that has a lot of trouble with the "grace" message. I could be in error here, but you seem to need a list of do's and don'ts to measure up to God's standard of righteousness not realizing NO ONE MEASURES up to God's standard. That is what Grace is all about (And not "EZ" grace. Christ died a wicked death to give us that Grace). This is the Grace that teaches us to say no to unrighteousness. You disparage worldliness and rightly so. I understand we are to be "in" the world, but not "of" the world. But let's temper that with a little common sense. Unless you're Amish, you are every bit "of" this world as someone who loves P&W. Got a large screen display? A Bose stereo system? Swimming pool? Any luxury electronics in the house? New car? Gosh, I know you have a computer (How worldly of you. Don't you know with all that porn on the web you are going down that path of destruction?) Basically, I'm saying IMO your logic rings hollow. Let's get the focus off of Satan and back on Christ where it belongs, shall we? C.S. Lewis said something like it is dangerous to NOT acknowledge the existence of demons and just as dangerous to have too much interest in them. Satan has a plan. But you know, this P&W believer-in-the-Lord knows Satan is defeated. He was defeated at the cross of Calvary. I don't much think about his plans because I'm saved by the blood of Christ. And in the highly remote possibility you are right, and P&W as I know it is a "sin", what a blessing to know that THAT sin was taken away at the cross! The only sin to keep me from the Lord is that sin of unbelief in Him. And THAT ain't gonna happen. --Ziobuck-stops-here (cute on you)