Stever: If you promise not to replay my entire posts (you know, everyone can read what I previously wrote and it's so difficult to sift through the "chaff" to get to your comments), then I promise not to put words in to your mouth (like "PC" and people "diluting the truth"). Ya know, I should have listened to the Spirit check when I wrote that. I just thought I knew where you were going with your comments. My bad. Re: your comment about not building relationships when someone needs to be warned their house is of fire? Quite a funny example. Thanks, I needed that bit of humor. The fact is now your arguments ring hollow. If you were really thinking about sounding the alarm on God Men, perhaps you should have private messaged Brad (you're smart, you could have figured out how to do it), or written an editorial in a Christian magazine, or called a Christian radio show to sound the alarm. But, the reality is you just wanted to put your 2 cents worth in a blog to show your discontent. Christianity is ALL about relationships, i.e., relationship between us and God, and to one another. God, of course, restored a relationship with us by taking care of what caused the broken relationship (sin). BTW, there are places in the world where you cannot evangelize. You remember reading something about being "wise as serpents"? We have missionary friends in Nepal who would be put in jail (or worse) if they did so. So how do they evangelize? They build relationships and love on the people they're living amongst. When asked why, then they can say they are commanded by God to love them and then they can show them how they can have a relationship with the living God. I went to listen to Josh McDowell a month ago. He basically said that the only way to reach teens in our culture today who think "Truth is whatever you believe it to be" is to be involved with them, to have a relationshp with them. If you have that relationship, you can better teach them about real TRUTH (Jesus). And he wasn't necessarily talking about reaching the secular teens as much as our OWN Christian teens. It is all about relationships. Re: elevating Brad Stine in my mind. Its always great to have someone tell me how I think. It's like this out of body experience. Well, first of all, I've seen Brad's credentials. And, not surprisingly, none have seen yours that we may follow YOUR example. IMO, Brad would view himself as I view myself, neither better nor worse than any other sinner; just an average Joe. But I confess, I do admire this brother who I believe is blest with a gift of comedic healing (laughter the best medicine). He is using his chosen profession to reach people for the Lord. My sphere of influence is not the same, but I don't feel I'm any less blest than Brad. My model is (and always will be) Christ. Sorry I may have disappointed you. Re: media attack on Brad Stine's God Men movement? I confess, I personally have not seen it (nor have I been looking for it). I remember reading in several Brad Stine blogs that Brad received some hits from an LA Times article (as I recall) and other media mischaracterizing about what was going on at the events. Now I DO have some experience with reading negatives on PK events and experiencing first-hand some liberal groups "picketing" PK events. So, for me...it is not a stretch to see a spiritual battle going on. Perhaps you experienced some "fair-minded" reporters who actually reported a favorable story on Brad? Hmmm, ya know, Satan isn't hiding under every rock. God does not enjoy sensuality in any form? Well, all I can say is He made us to experience things, pleasurable things, with all our senses. Read Song of Solomon lately? You think God disapproves of the sensuality I have with my wife, an absolute blessing from God? Of course not. I think you are misapplying Scripture to suit your "style" of worship. Re: music. Not sure where you are going here and not even sure what you think is acceptable music in worship and what isn't, what are acceptable instruments in worship and what aren't. It sounds like you've narrowed your focus to "heavy metal" bands? There are all sorts of rock and roll styles. I think SOME rock and roll music is loud, rebellious, and rudely aggressive as you characterize, but certainly not all. Some music which is heavy into dischord is Satanic, IMO, but generally I believe it is the lyrics that determine whether something is "for God" or "against God". Most songs of praise I sing are very Scriptural in nature. You seem to think there are only a few worship styles to our Lord that are respectful, humbled, full of wonder and peace, and totally pure and holy? Not so. That isn't even Scriptural. You have opinions. Fine. Go to a church that worships the Lord as you wish. (Thank you Lord for diversity). Personally, I think the P&W music my team plays (bass guitar, drums, keyboards, two other guitars, and three vocalists) are "melodious uplifting music that has balance and order and where the melody is the leading element". Some of the seniors in the congregation prefer old hymns (I like that "style" of P&W also), but I guess they tolerate our style of music. BTW, I'm not a fan of "gospel" style music, but I recognize it's a preference thing. --Ziobuck having a difference of opinion