Wow! What an honor to have my entire post dissected, and by a brother in the Lord. Well, I guess at least you gave some passing consideration to my comments. I should be humbled. Though you said, “my intention is not to be divisive, but only to challenge men”, my question is why you didn’t start your original posts off in that manner, rather than with the polarizing “Brad, I don't think this movement is of God.” ? Here is a Godly man, Brad Stine, who tries to make a real difference in the world. He is not only using his precious spare time to reach the unreachable with the love of God, he actually is getting out of his comfortable seat in the pugh and taking a chance on God using him to bring others to Himself. So, what does Brad get for his trouble? He gets slander from a media that IS from the pit of hell (and who enjoy mocking anything remotely Christian). And, as a bonus, he gets a verbal slap, judgment, and not-so constructive criticism from a brother in the Lord? You should be proud you’re doing the Lord’s work. You know, Stever, you can couch your analysis in Scripture all you want, but the reality is this…1) You came into the blog without credentials, i.e., what are you doing for the kingdom and how should we be following YOUR example 2) You came into the blog with an agenda, to opine about what you believe is lacking in Americas churches, to criticize anything you think is ungodly about how any church is strategizing to reach an American culture that is hell-bent, spiraling out of control from the top down (I know you and I share that concern) 3) You came into the blog like a bull in a china shop, not…loving a brother and challenging him with a few personal observations. “ And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth”. How well did you follow this command of Paul in 2 Timothy24-25? BTW, I could do better in this department myself. Now let me say this. You do have some great points, especially how some churches “dilute” the truth and have become PC. Couldn’t agree with you more. Just be careful about painting with too broad a brush. BTW, IMHO, I’d rather have people plugged into Jesus in a Megachurch (no, I don’t go to one) than having them sit in their Lazy Boys watching an HBO skin flick. I found it interesting how you can go to a PK event and still feel it is not of God. Why, because they use drums and guitars to praise God? You talk (rightly so) about movements of God being directed by men, yet you criticize two movements that are targeting “men” to just do what you say needs to be done. I don’t get it! BTW, Jesus basically said a house divided cannot stand. There is no way Satan is giving “GOD the glory” or receiving any himself at PK and Godmen events. In fact, a better gauge as to whether a movement is of God is what kind of spiritual attacks are taking place to prevent God from being glorified. The greater the attacks, the better proof that the events are of God. I think you’ll find both events squarely in Satan's disruptive cross-hairs. Stever, you seem a little rigid about “music”. I can only believe God has not blest you with this gift. If he has, you’re an anomaly. You said, “God has not ordained music to bring others to Christ. He ordained the foolishness of preaching for that purpose.” Do you think, perhaps, that God enjoys just being praised? Of course! And, as a bonus to praising our awesome God, music can also prepare the hearts to receive the GOOD NEWS. I don’t know why you have such a hang up about music? Do you think the God of the NT and OT are the same? I do. How 'bout these Scriptures? Ephesians 5:19-20, “Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Psalm 68:24-26: “Your procession has come into view, O God, the procession of my God and King into the sanctuary. In front are the singers, after them the musicians; with them are the maidens playing tambourines. Praise God in the great congregation; praise the LORD in the assembly of Israel.” 2 Chronicles 5:12 , “All the Levites who were musicians—Asaph, Heman, Jeduthun and their sons and relatives—stood on the east side of the altar, dressed in fine linen and playing cymbals, harps and lyres. They were accompanied by 120 priests sounding trumpets.” Oh, oh...I finally found it! ebd10 wrote "anti-abortionist" in his response to you that triggered a strawman attack on Chrisitians who don't follow God's commands to be fruitful and multiply. Interesting. Thank God for the cross, right? Let me finally say that you have a lot of good thoughts. They just need a little focus and a little more grace. You seem to know your Scripture, but even the Pharisees knew Scripture and missed the LIFE giver. God's commands in the NT are the commands of love. Love God and others as yourself. In 1 Corinthian 13, the Apostle Paul said without love we are a "resounding gong or a clanging cymbal" (darn...another rap on musicians) . Don't let a critical spirit affect the unity of believers. --Ziobuck agreeing about the essentials, the gospel.