My dear Spaceship: I have to hand it to you; you have the liberal technique in arguing down pat. But, just for the record and for sport, let’s correct a few misleading comments you made for our readership, shall we? 1) Spaceship wrote: “We got into this because you said that you didn't think the Far Left loved America. I said maybe, and that probably there are some extremists from all political persuasions who don't love our country. The vast majority, though, do love this country. Then you somehow decided that those who voted for John Kerry hate this country, meaning roughly half of the American electorate hates America. When you find the planet on which that is a rational argument, I will join you there.” I would ask you to reread my posts. In any of my posts did I say the Far Left didn’t love America? I did say, “It's the best country (the USA) in the world in my humble opinion. Not sure the far left agrees.” How you extrapolated “hate”, I could only imagine it to be liberal bias. I only meant to imply that some on the far left might consider another country “best”, perhaps even France. In fact, YOU introduced the idea of hate when you said, “I don't consider John Kerry far left, at least I don't if you're defining far left as "someone who doesn't love this country." I even pointed out that I believed John Kerry does love his country. Again, I never said that half America hated America. I wrote that they voted for someone whose life time Senate voting record makes him one of the most liberal Senators in the country, i.e., “extreme left”. I implied in humor that there are more extremes in this country that you thought. Spaceship, when you find a planet where you can read someone’s posts with clarity, instead of applying your own definitions of words based on your liberal bias, then I will join you there! BTW, though I agree ideology doesn’t have to be static, I only used the numbers to show how some people seem to never change, even over a career in Senate voting. I personally assess people on what they say they believe/do not believe in. John Kerry doesn’t believe in the sanctity of life (though his religion says to). In fact, John Kerry doesn’t have a problem with partial birth abortion. I find that repugnant on many levels. John Kerry doesn’t believe in the sanctity of marriage between a man and woman. I do. John Kerry thinks the United Nations should govern the affairs of man on this planet. I think the UN should be dissolved. I won’t even go into what He thinks of the military. He’s been all over the map on that issue. 2) I don’t have a problem with PMs addressing Congress. Don’t think to kindly of those pandering to our "state" officials. 3) Yeah, let’s celebrate the fact that illegal’s are in our classrooms, not on the streets. One thing that needs to be changed in this country is the current automatic “citizenship” for birth here. I don’t think birth in most countries automatically grants one a citizenship right there, and for good reason. 4) Impractical is having an ever expanding government with entitlements for both citizens and non-citizens. Our country will collapse from the debt. No one is attempting to fix the Social Security problem that the Prez was pushing for a year ago. Now I understand that the Senate is actually proposing that those here illegally and paying taxes (through falsified documents), when they are granted amnesty and made U.S. Citizens, will be able to tap into Social Security from the time they were here illegally (more insanity). BTW, I haven’t read the House proposal on illegal immigration. But your charges sound like typical liberal spin, i.e., those evil Republicans are trying to poison our children with arsenic, they’re taking our children’s lunch milk away, etc. –Ziobuck with conservative ideology