LONG conversation with Charlie Rangel?

There sure must be a great bit coming from that one!

PScotty:
Yeah. That point caught my eye too. Wish I had a buck for every snarky comment I've directed toward my TV set when that Congressman bloviated. What a piece of work. Man, I use to worry about Brad becoming Hollyweirded. Now I have to pray he doesn't become beltway baptized.

--Ziobuck agreeing we live in a great country

I have congressman eating over at my house all the time... its a pretty common thing.. They like casseroles for some strange reason.

That is funny,, when you finally do get to meet bigshots it is nice to know that they are just as bumbling an idiot as we are...... I like that about people.. no matter how famous you are,, you can still be a goofball.....

Anyway,,, I gotta check out the GODMEN site,, I heard a rumor that there might be an event in SACRAMENTO... I have decided not to go to PK in San Jose,, simply because its too far to drive for a shortened event.. and I am truly upset that MEN would complain about travel time and the length of the WORSHIP SERVICE WEEKEND.... Its only once a year folks,, MAN UP!!!!!!!! quit complaining, and they're not even serving the cattle call lunch this year.. BOGUS.... Congratulations on eating with famous people Brad,,,, jC

Shortstop:
Couldn't help thinking I have the King of Kings and Lord of Lords dining with me at my dinner table. He doesn't complain about what I eat. I think he just likes the company. --Ziobuck sans celebrity and.....liking it.

What did you think of the Beatles????

Heard it was a great time.

Wish I could have been there.

RWR
www.rightwingrocker.com

Brad, were you able to "Rangel" a lunch out of Charlie or just a comment?
He's good with comments! But most times they are to hard for me to chew, so I have to spit them out. Did I hear Right Wing Rocker say,"Left Wing Rangel"?
It's good to live in a country where we can kid around about politics.
By the way Ziobuck, Maybe you like the King's company as well. I understand he won't visit unless he is invited. He is always an honored guest at my table.
I would like to take this time to wish each of you joy in this the resurrection week as we celebrate the basis of our faith." With out The Empty Grave our faith would be invain. " Thank God, Jesus loved us enough to step down from heaven and diee for us that we could have ever lasting life.
I think that means Thank God For Jesus.
And I thank God for each of you that love him!
In the name of the One That Loves Us
I'm Just old Jim

JOJ:
Yes, the Master is indeed an invited guest at my table too. Glad you clarified. And you are right, without the resurrection, Scripture says we are still dead in our sins. HE HAS RISEN! --Ziobuck loving Him that loved me first

HEY!

Get it right already!

It's RightWingRocker .. not Right Wing Rocker!

Lots of fun nonetheless ...

RWR
www.rightwingrocker.com

Our country is being systematically destroyed by our own leaders, all the while we are fed propaganda from the mainstream media to keep us "in the know". How long will this travesty continue before people start waking up? It won't be long until our wealth is plundered and all of our freedoms are destroyed, all we will be left with is fear, ignorance and slavery.

Stever - in relentless pursuit of the truth

Stever:
Do you think we might, perhaps, be in the END TIMES? Try as we might, I don't know if we are going to be able to head off the inevitable.
--Ziobuck sharing the concerns of our country's decay, but trying to be optimistic around the kids

I ran into Jon Voight, Geraldo Rivera, Bill O'reilly, Wolf Blitzer, Brian Wilson, Nancy Pelosi, Karl Rove, Brian Williams, Joe Scarborough

This of course was out in the parking lot prior to the dinner. We exchanged insurance information and all agreed it would give us something to talk about during the meal....

The only thing we can do at this point is cry out to God for His will to be done, but at the same time be aware of what is going on in our country. Most people do not realize the depths of evil that our government is involved with. They are working faster than ever now to totally enslave our population. Take the Virginia Tech shooting for example, a classic government black op, complete with a manchurian style candidate shooter. Totally staged and designed to bring about the desired effect of more gun control, gun banning, and police state type controls. The media will now go into action to spin the whole event the way the masters have planned. The only way to fight these criminals is with truth and fervent prayer and watchfulness. Would you like to be caught in situation where a minds controlled shooter in a hynotic trance is systematically picking off people and not be able to defend yourself? That is why they are coming to take our guns away. They want complete control and total domination. It will be 10 times worse that Hitler's Germany. Our only hope is fervent crying out to God that His light will be shown to expose them as the noon day sun. I know alot of this may sound crazy - but please take the time to educate yourself and wake up and smell the Fascism.

Stever

Stever????? excuse me! but did you actually just say that you believe that the virginia shootings were staged by the powers that be?.... I just want to be absolutely sure that's what you meant,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, so I can begin pondering the depth of that type of thinking....

Oh wait!!!!! I'm done pondering................... there is no depth to that way of thinking..

Our government is not smart enough to pull off a stunt like that........... everythings a conspiricy right??? This is just a thought but do you sometimes feel as if someone is out to get you??? like the FBI or the CIA,,,

Besides,,, I tell people all the time, they're not out to get you... they're just following you..............(wink)

Lets not even think about suggesting that perhaps the shooter had any type of mental illness,,,, trauma,,,, ISSUES,,,,,,, inferiority,,,,,, confused religion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Fine,,, you blame it on the government and gun control........ and I will blame it on the simple fact that when you take God out of the school,,,,,,, guess who thinks he's invited... not only is darkness invited in a place with dim lighting,,, but it thrives, consumes,,,,lies, steals and destroys everything in its path....

Or, the guy was nuts.

Either way, this world basically sucks................

For there but by the grace of God,,,, GO I. jC

I just think that we should not believe everything we hear on the news, but rather we should be willing to ask questions, do thorough research and diligently consider every piece of evidence. Christians, of all people should the most capable of critical thinking skills. We have the Holy Spirit that will lead us and guide us into all truth. Today most people, including Christians depend on FoxNews to lead them and guide them into all truth. If truth is spun even a little, it's not truth anymore.

This is Stever with food for thought

Stever, I agree with you that we have the priviledge of asking for help with discerning truth. That is true. I agree with you that Christians should look at things from a different perspective than that spun by our Nations media. Most of us are smart enough to see behind the crapola......... and there's a lot of it. Stories like this are eaten up by the media for obvious reasons.. Thats what they do. Despite the concerns on reporters faces, which of course at times can only be genuine considering the taumatic encounters they are witnessing, and the victims stories have to play on the hearts of even the hardest interviewer. But lets face it, they are in the game for ratings, and ratings soar when people die, records are broken, and there is high drama. For me, I spent a few hours analyzing the tragedy, the videos left by the shooter, the eyewitnesses who were around him, and victims in the building. By this analysis, I can make a determination that the shooter did not have hope. I can also make a determination that people may have walked right by this guy, believing his silence was not worth looking into.... Perhaps we as Christians may also learn our lesson to reach out to even the inconvenient soul... the quiet soul,,, the difficult soul,,, the very least of these.

If the government pulled this thing off in a staged event to further a nationwide agenda,,,,,,,,,, they have a little bit too much time on their hands. Like I said, the orchestration of such an event in hopes that it would spur gun control is shady at best. And I personally would not use it as a tactic while running this country.... First of all, as a Christian, it would be hard to run this country.

My question to anyone is this. If you spend time in Gods word, and continue to pray for wisdom in these areas, and serve and love others as commanded..... How can you not watch Fox news with a watchful eye?.. How can one not apply the teachings of God and use discernment while WATCHING THE WORLD go by?. This includes our TV screens... Some things are just worth, SHUTTING OFF........ I will not have my time consumed by looking at the fine details of a tragedy that would never have happened if we as Christians were doing our job. My research was brief, and may be worth looking into again should evidence present itself.. But to let it consume my every waking day,, would be the medias delight, and my distraction..

We must reaching out to those who appear unreachable. Everyone heard him mention Jesus,,,,,,Christians must have cringed to hear him say that,,,, wondering to themselves,, UH OH!!! more ammo for those that oppose Christ and Christians.. RIGHT???? But what if he would have been instructed in a way that lined up with Gods word. What if???? someone attempted to correct that way of thinking.. and I realize that someone may have tried... Only God knows the ultimate truth and details... and last time I checked, FOX wasnt working for God(I pray some of them are)

The fine details come down to one thing..... We have a short amount of time to affect as many people as possible on this earth.. as we come into contact with people,, what will they see?. Will they just know that something is different and want that difference in their lives?.. or will they simply see, someone walking by..Despite conspiracy, and government control,,, GOD IS BIGGER,, hence, when we as Christians Love others, when others are approached they will not be as willing to be, lets say,, decieved.. either way you look at it.. This is all happening on our watch.

I wonder how many days in my life that I may have walked by,,,, my executioner.

Does this mean I am putting the blame on people that have knowledge of a saving God?,,,,,,, well, who am I to say that.... all I know is that I have a responsibility to those around me, every one of them. And the ones that need the most attention, are the ones I dont want to go to.

May God truly bless you as we continue to trust in His instruction,,, and love others. jC

This photo of Cho is surprizing since it is being reported that He was a lone nut case.
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ll_chat&Number=295424943&t=-1
This was on up on Wikkipedia, but they recently exchnaged it with the latest one from the special media package.

If a picture is worth a thousand words, how many words did they move around when they pulled the Military picture and replaced it with a civilian one?

He seemed to be very well trained and methodical for a troubled person. But the idea that he could be a secret CIA military mind control slave couldn't be possible because the government is too stupid to pull off something like that.

Besides - what would be the point?

Let's face it - we have a lot crazy people out there and if we just pass laws that will prevent and confiscate all guns from the civilian population we will all be much safer, right? That way even the looney bins won't be able to buy any more guns to shoot us all down at random.

Stever - trying to be brief

Are you sure that was HIM?..... come on now, you have to be sure. It may be someone that looks like him. I compared the photos of him with similiar facial expressions, and I dont see it.... perhaps it is a conspiracy specifically designed to make it look like a conspiracy.......

Why did he leave an I off of HUI......... thats odd. Here's the tragedy. What if it is really proven that HU is an actual guy,, and that its not the shooter.. but yet people believe that picture is really him.. what if the guy sitting next to him was just some guy sitting next to a guy named HU... or perhaps the HU in the picture is wearing his fathers jacket...... to many what ifs for me. This being said. Has time shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the twin towers was a government planned event?????????? in many minds, its a done deal. despite the lack of evidence. And the human beings rational mind to say,,,, no way... A government cannot afford to attempt large scale deception because if the majority of people can actually prove the deception,, it would be an overwhelming and resounding end of the current government... they are too busy trying to figure out how to stop people that want us dead,, without killing so many innocents.. tough spot to be in. You do nothing, you lose, you do something its a conspiracy........

I admit there are things wrong in this world... perhaps even within our own government. Why do I know this??? because the evidence is overwhelming that men are sinful....

But for everything to be a conspiracy,,,,, is just plain paranoia in its purest form.

We have been watching too much television....... something we warned our kids about, but fell victim too.. what is reality?? and whats not?



And here's a news flash............. people dont need guns to kill people. Take away guns, and they'll use bombs.... take away bombs they'll use a pitchfork............. you can kill someone with a butterknife ( I dont advise it).

Of course the gun control people are going to use this to their advantage...... no brainer.

I love the comment on the posted picture of the alleged HUI and his mythical accomplice... the comment was just below the picture... someone stating how awesome the picture was, and how great it would be for it to get into a conspiracy websites hands.. it even mentioned some of the people to send it to...

Conspiracy....as soon as someone legitimately explains and proves even one of these alleged hoaxes.. let me know. Until then. The world is messed up enough without complicating it further...

I'm open,,,,,,,,,, prove it. Lets see some proof.

Here's some proof.

HISTORY OF MENTAL PROBLEMS combined with the human beings desire to Break you down for differences and what others consider to be normal... as soon as someone can define normal I want a copy of the definition.. Websters version doesnt cut it....

Behavior at middle school & high school
In middle school and high school, Cho was teased and picked on for his shyness and unusual speech patterns. In English class at Westfield High School, he looked down and refused to speak when it was his turn to speak aloud, said Chris Davids, a high school classmate of Cho's. Cho often refused to speak when picked by the teacher in class. After one teacher threatened to give him a failing grade for not participating, Cho began reading in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said. "The whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, ‘Go back to China,’" Davids said. Another classmate, Stephanie Roberts, stated that "There were just some people who were really mean to him and they would push him down and laugh at him," and "He didn't speak English really well and they would really make fun of him."[40]

Those are just the people who admitted amplifying the problem........

All you conspiracy junkies are correct in your assumption........ this person is a victim of mind-control.. and so were the people that made fun of him...the question we need to ask people is, what is controlling your mind?

This was a kid whose silence and demeanor made it difficult to treat.. and all the psychology books in the world cannot touch such a hidden disaster waiting to happen. I evaluate those who are a danger to themselves or others... It all depends on what they say.. its plan or intent... if someone signs a no harm contract does that mean they wont go out and harm....the majority of people who commit suicide and murder on this planet are not evaluted before the commit the act........ its usually spontaneous/ or planned in detail.. usually, if someone is serious about their actions, not a lot of people will be included until they find the note/video/ or in some cases,, absolutely nothing and people scratching their heads...

There is only one thing that saves.

jC never brief,,,,,but always willing to attempt communication.

PPS............ this just hit me because my mind works this way. If HUI is a government plant and victim of mind control who has just carried out his ultimate and final mission in an attempt to stop citizens from owning guns at the expense of the Nations largest shooting on campus....(deep breath).... than,,,,, why would the government who was smart enough to pull off such a scheme allow HUI his own jacket with his name on it..... ???????????? misspelled...

WHY????? ( I knew we shouldnt have given him that jacket)

I wonder sometimes, how much the mainstream media can control our minds by being the primary source of our information. The president promised to have a full scale investigation of 911, but then never did, except for years later he reluctantly agreed to a 911 commision, but that was proven to be a complete whitewash of the whole matter, any question that was of any importance was ignored and never addressed in the report.

Here's another weird thing, if you submit a theory different than the one that was given to us by the powers that be, then people think your a nut case. So they not only control the information in our minds, but they also can influence us to think and react negatively to opposing views, talk about your monopoly. This is a monopoly in it's most ultimate form.

I have seen this "mind control" mechanism many times in people who are TV fanatics. Those people are just certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bill Oreilly really has a no spin zone. The walls and barriers in thier minds are so strong that they can errupt into a violent screaming fit if you come near the wall with any thing that would be contrary to it.

These are what the Bible calls strongholds, they keep the afflicted soul captive and imprisoned to it's lies. This is why Jesus said, "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free"

Stever - Working to free your soul from the information stronholds of mainstream media

Stever,, that is of course if you are correct in your assumption that both of these if not just one of these incidents has corruption and deceit attached to it......... can you honestley confirm that by the evidence presented to you on both of these horrible events that you are FREE..? have you received the truth and nothing but the truth?. The only actual truth that you and I can both agree on is Christ. Its the only truth, and the only thing that truly matters. Be careful in your search for truth that you are not distracted from a more important calling. To spread the good news.

It must have been pretty easy for the government to get Bin Laden to cooperate with his claims following the conspiracy,,,,, HUH???? here's ten bucks BIN,, all you have to do is say you did it. In return, we wont find you.

Wow,,,,, its all making complete sense to me now (scarcasm)

People who are extreme in their muslim faith dont really want me to die because I am Christian.. this is great news!!............(eyes rolling into the back of my head)... Someone needs to go over there and tell them there's been a terrible misunderstanding.

You are not crazy for not trusting everything that you see on the media.... but it is good to get all the facts, from all sources, to make a final determination that perhaps,,, WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING, ABOUT NOTHIN......

But God does....

and that is the only comforting truth that I truly know.

Terrorists flew airplanes into the twin towers.....TV freak or not,,,,,, the evidence is overwhelming.

Here is one last thought.... If by chance the government is continually pulling the wool over the eyes of even semi stupid guys like me who think they are smart............. we have a huge problem on our hands.... MAN,, I hope they're not behind this whole BIBLE business... yikes..

But lets just say for one moment that terrorists really did successfully fly airplanes into buildings and kill innocent people.... lets just say they really thought they were going straight to happy land once they crashed into the sides of those buildings... lets just say that the unrest in this world is truly a lack of hope, and an overwhelming lack of Jesus........ lets just say that the President was reacting to real situations,, with ugly results no matter how you look at it........ Where is the injustice?... In the paranoid minds of those that make difficult situations, even more difficult by their over active imaginations.. the reason people think everything is a conspiracy is because of all the fantasy movies they watch......Not Government controlling people by fantasy. Our Government is not perfect, because people are running it.. but to think there are little micro conspiracy meetings going on all day finding a way to further world domination and power, and control over the American public,, with Dr Evil laughs abounding,,,,, is truly, a stretch of the imagination. You are right, the truth of Christ has set us free.

Imagine this Stever...... what if HUI really just needed to connect with a Christian that could actually make a connection with him. Seriously, what if that really is the problem. And here we are thinking the only way someone could do that is if the government was behind it... PLEASE!! There are people on this earth every day that think about things that HUI acted on... its because they dont have a bit of hope, nothing to hold onto, and a false sense of security.... NO FOUNDATION. We can go ahead and blame all of our problems on the Government, but that wont change reality..Most of us are too busy playing church to see the reality of our CHRISTIAN lives....

Are there gullable people that watch TV?...... Are there people that think PRO WRESTLING is genuine and never rehearsed?........... STILL TO THIS DAY...
BUT That has nothing to do with real people, watching real events...and since when have any of the mainstream famous media stars ever gotten together to assist the government in deceiving the planet.......... what a joke. They cant even agree with each other.



There is deception in our government.. but this deception is in individuals that have personal micro agendas within the system.. and thank GOD, there's a GOD to sort it all out....

Careful about what truth you THINK you are spreading,, because what you think is setting people free, may be hindering them from actual truth..... and is that not true? jC

I can’t really be 100% sure that I know all the facts about 911, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, Oklahoma City, Waco, Jim Jones, JFK, JFK Jr., Columbine, Virginia Tech, the death of Frank Olsen, the Moon landings, CIA mind control slaves like Cathy Obrien or any other conspiracy for that matter. But what I can do is desire to know the truth. There is no guarantee that I will have all knowledge nor do I want to have more knowledge than God wants me to have.

However, when I see the mainstream media trying to stop discussion on things like this, then I wonder why. What is it about the collapse of the World Trade centers that they do not want to discuss on main stream media? Why are they calling for Rosie Odonnell to get fired and her body to be used as perfume? Is not she allowed to exercise free speech? Or do they have the monopoly on the information?

Apparently there is something so frightening about 911 truths that they attack any mainstream person who goes public on the side of questioning the original conspiracy theory, of Al-Qaeda and 19 hijackers with box cutters who hate our freedom. That is the “official story” of what happened.

Never mind the reports that several of the hijackers were later discovered alive in other countries and even interviewed by the BBC news.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm

If something is true, it should be able to hold it’s own in a free society where there is public debate and the freedom to discuss and present different views. When this freedom is not protected then the powers that be will want to control the information, so the minds of the people will be favorably inclined to the only view in town. Is the real truth ever in the opinions that are handed to us by the mainstream media?